With electrified plug-in hybrid versions already available, two new PEUGEOT 308 silhouettes—the sedan and wagon SW—will be available in a 100% electric version from 2023. PEUGEOT will be the first European manufacturer to offer a 100% electric wagon.
The E-308 and E-308 SW will be powered by a new electric motor, developing 115 kW (156 bhp) and with a range of more than(248 miles) 400 km (WLTP cycle) depending on the level of equipment. This motor will complement the current range, which includes 180 bhp/132 kW and 225 bhp/162 kW plug-in hybrids and internal combustion versions.
The gearbox on the PEUGEOT E-308 and E-308 SW optimizes its range, while maintaining a high level of performance with a responsiveness specific to electric motors.
The battery is also new generation. It is a 54 kWh high-voltage battery (51 kWh useful) with a new chemistry. The battery has a new chemical composition with 80% Nickel, 10% Manganese, 10% Cobalt, which operates at 400 volts. Average fuel consumption for the all-electric 308 is 12.7 kWh/100 km.
To manage energy consumption as effectively as possible, the driver can select his or her driving mode (ECO, NORMAL and SPORT), and even, due to the "BRAKE" mode, increase deceleration when the accelerator pedal is released in order to optimisze energy recovery.
The on-board three-phase charger comes as standard and has a power rating of 11 kW. The charging socket accepts all charging modes. From a 100kW public charging point, the vehicle charge will go from 20% to 80% charge in less than 25 minutes.
Available in Allure and GT trim levels, the new PEUGEOT E-308 and E-308 SW will arrive on the market successively in mid-2023.
The new PEUGEOT E-308 and E-308 SW feature the latest generation of driving aids. These include:
Adaptive cruise control with Stop and Go function,
Long-range blind spot monitoring (75 meters),
Rear Traffic Alert, which warns of danger when reversing.
Posted on 13 September 2022 in Batteries, Electric (Battery), Europe | Permalink | Comments (17)
This is pretty much the present reality for BEVs.
For more reasonably priced cars, and it should be noted that this still costs a lot more than an equivalent ICE, you end up with way less utility.
Dubious environmental credentials, as the car is heavy, and does nothing to reduce the biggest killer from cars, which is not exhaust emissions from a modern car, but tire wear particulates, as well as the use of cobalt with all its environmental and resource drawbacks.
And most motorists simply have not got off road locations, garages etc to charge in.
None of this is to say that the electrification of transport is not worthwhile, indeed essential, but present lithium ion technology has been grossly oversold by the greatest salesman of the age.
Umpteen billions have been spent to enable the well off to buy bling cars, with fake environmental credentials, when a fraction of the money could have put batteries into delivery vehicles, buses etc for much greater decarbonisation and pollution reduction.
But it is still progress, albeit very inefficiently realised.
Posted by: Davemart | 13 September 2022 at 03:25 AM
"Average fuel consumption for the all-electric 308 is 12.7 kWh/100 km." sounds very good. At least it is not pretending to be an SUV. Only 10% cobalt in the battery. Do you have figures for the deaths due to tire wear particulates?
Posted by: mahonj | 13 September 2022 at 04:43 AM
To be clear until recently cars and trucks were pumping out so much rubbish from their exhausts, including lead (!) that no one thought too heavily about particulates from non-exhaust emissions, so great progress has been made.
The bigger and heavier the vehicle, and the faster it accelerates, the greater the problem.
Buses and trucks are the greatest worry, which is one reason that fuel cell ones are worth a look, as although they don't pick up their own particulates, because they have to filter the air to work, they leave city air cleaner than before they passed.
BEVs do reduce brake dust by regen braking, but the heavier and faster the car is moving, of course the bigger the issue from heavy braking using the friction brakes, and of course road dust and tire particulates.
Here are a few of my links outlining the issues. First how it works:
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/07/20190714-nee.html
As can be seen, the issue is now overwhelmingly non-exhaust emissions, although of course we are in the process of addressing GHG, which is wonderful news which I do not seek to minimise.
And: https://www.nanoparticles.ch/2015_ETH-NPC-19/Poster/44_Tonegawa.pdf
Posted by: Davemart | 13 September 2022 at 05:00 AM
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2022/05/20220513-ea.html
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1135856_bigger-batteries-evs-boost-particulate-emissions-from-tires-study
So no, I don't directly have figures for mortalities due to tire particulates, but the severity of the issue is apparent, and heavy and fast accelerating is the opposite of the solution.
Posted by: Davemart | 13 September 2022 at 05:04 AM
I think we can remove "range" from the list of objections. 400KM with a 25 minute recharge is plenty for longer trips, and it's easily a week's worth for city dwellers. I know that some people claim to have 800KM daily commutes (and never eat or use bathrooms), but they are an edge case.
Cost is also an obsolete objection. Fuel savings already cover the extra up-front cost, and that's before you need to spend thousands of Euros on oil changes and timing belt replacements. Resale value will also be better, if current trends continue.
Your other objections are valid, but they are also relative. Electric cars are heavier than fossil-fuel cars, but they use lower-rolling-resistance tyres. Cobalt mining is an environmental issue, but so is oil extraction.
Posted by: Bernard | 13 September 2022 at 08:08 AM
The problem is that the trend is towards larger and larger batteries, which means heavier and heavier cars. IMO a medium (say 10-30 kWh) battery and a range extender would do most people, like a Nissan e-power with a PHEV sized battery. Ideally, you could size the battery to your typical daily needs, rather than fantasy maximum needs.
Posted by: mahonj | 13 September 2022 at 10:07 AM
Hey Bernard. That is WLTP cycle.
What is the range going to be when the car is five years old, and the battery has aged, and its cold? If you plan a journey and a charger is out of service, then you are in problems.
It is fine for running around the city, providing you can conveniently charge, which very many city dwellers can't.
As for the cost thing, that is dependent here in the UK on exemption from fuel duty, which we are already told is not going to last.
Something like CATL's sodium batteries might come in at the right cost for genuine cost savings, but present lithium ion batteries are nowhere near cheap enough.
I still of course support the electrification of transport, but it has to be assessed in real terms, not the promo stuff put out.
Electric cars are much more expensive and way less convenient at the present time.
That is not to say that we should not make the transition, but that is where we are at the moment, and poorer motorists are paying in lots of ways for the better off to get subsidised on their expensive cars.
Posted by: Davemart | 13 September 2022 at 10:22 AM
Or, use a "2 car PHEV".
Get a Citroen AMI for city use and a Golf TDi for long range use. You don't have to own both of them, maybe you could join or start an EV/ICE swap / loan club.
Or just a Prius or a Corolla hybrid.
Posted by: mahonj | 13 September 2022 at 10:48 AM
The biggest selling BEV in Europe at the moment is the Fiat 500 EV, which is a modest city car indeed.
My view is that there is nothing wrong with designing EVs as city cars, with the present cost and weight of batteries.
Half way offerings like this 308EV really serve to show up the shortcomings of present EVs, although I admit that even in a city I would sooner drive one than the 500EV.
At least neither one is going to be massively accelerating tire-shredders, although certainly heavy for what they are.
Posted by: Davemart | 13 September 2022 at 11:20 AM
@mahonj: "The problem is that the trend is towards larger and larger batteries, which means heavier and heavier cars." That would be true if present technology prevails but technology is changing. With more and more solid state cells slowly emerging on the market, volumetric - and mass energy density is increasing at reduced weight. That would imply that even with increasing capacity, the size and weight of future batteries would be reduced; at the worst they would remain unchanged in weight.
Posted by: yoatmon | 14 September 2022 at 05:31 AM
I agree that at sometime batteries are likely to get there.
The problem is that they are nothing like the solution when every metric taken together that they are touted at, at present.
Cost, weight, longevity, charging times, all of those we can address to one degree or another, but not all at once.
So the range of a luxury BEV is fine, but at a luxury price, and a very heavy battery.
Perhaps a good gauge is in aircraft.
They are very successfully taking over the light aircraft trainer market, being much cheaper for the half hour flights in fuel costs.
But that is for a 2 seater aircraft, the batteries only last for around 2,000 hours, when they need replacing and are put to less demanding uses like grid frequency regulation, and for final certification the 2 hour flight for it means using a combustion engine aircraft.
That makes it obvious how far we are from battery electric aircraft being useful for much longer flights and heavier loads.
Although less extreme, this also applies to ground transport, and the different battery chemistries we have more or less available at the present time largely just make different trade offs, not improve all of them together.
Solid state batteries for instance would improve weight and more specifically volume requirements, but aren't ready for the start of mass production and at first are likely to entail high, not low, costs.
This by no means indicates that I am opposed to battery technology and use, which would be absurd.
It does mean that I think many are being unrealistic about what it can do at present and in the near future at any affordable cost.
Posted by: Davemart | 14 September 2022 at 06:56 AM
I understand the rationale behind "the next model will be even better, so you should wait!" It applies to any evolving technology. Should you wait for next year's iPhone or Galaxy? That's fine, but at some point you have to make your move, and this year's models are good enough. Maybe you'll only get 3 hours of continuous highway driving, and maybe next year's model will add 15 minutes to that. Is it really that bad? How often do you drive for 700 km in one day? Would an extra 20 minute stop really be "way less convenient?" If so, shouldn't you take a train?
This reminds me of an interview with a Renault exec, when the Megane E-Tech came-out. ZOE data shows that new owners charge daily at first, but only weekly after a few months of ownership. Here's my analogy: do you do laundry every day, in case you need to take a long trip? Maybe that's an actual phobia, but it's unlikely that you'll drive to a destination where laundry or electricity are unknown.
Posted by: Bernard | 14 September 2022 at 07:55 AM
Yep, its gonna be gradual, and messy.
Perhaps it was inevitable that money would have to be pumped into luxury cars first, but BEV cars are way, way off from the everyman transport they are cracked up to be, at present.
I am all for restricting private car use, including many models being limited range city cars, if that is what it takes.
It is selling massive resource gobblers in materials as an environmental panacea because they are electric which I find objectionable, but perhaps the sociopathic narcissist at the head of the most prominent exponent of them has unduly turned me against them.
His disciples at VW have managed to drop millions of sales a year behind Toyota in their following the faith and attempting to move mainstream cars to all electric too soon.
If you add up resources used and things like real pollution from tire wear etc, in my view the real eco choice is something like a Yaris hybrid, not some massive BEV with unsuitable and dangerous to everyone acceleration.
That will change, and higher degrees of electrification will become increasingly practical.
But we are currently being sold dangerous resource hogs, masquerading as the eco choice.
Posted by: Davemart | 14 September 2022 at 08:17 AM
The Yaris is still doing fine in Europe, although it will be out-sold by the electric Fiat 500e next year if trends continue.
The 308 discussed here is one segment bigger, in the same class as the Golf. Perhaps this is what you mean by "massive BEV" "luxury car," but it fits into the "everyman transport" descriptor too.
Posted by: Bernard | 14 September 2022 at 08:52 AM
I've got a 2008 GTi, love it. I live in the city with nowhere to charge an electric car, although I could if I had to charge up once a week at a public charger.
I've just checked the prices, and the difference is smaller than I thought. I paid £22,000 for mine in 2017. The new version of mine is £31k or so, the electric £34k or so:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/new-peugeot-2008-and-e-2008-prices-and-specs-revealed
For that you get a 50KWh battery and a lousy range though, but nearer in price than I thought.
So I've learnt something from discussing it with you!
That is the point of discussion forums, as I love to be proven wrong, as I simply file off the serial numbers and make that my viewpoint! ;-)
The umpteen Tesla's I see around have not got a lot of accommodation, but are 'massive' in the sense of heavy.
But so many folk seem to want SUVs, even in the narrow roads of the UK, and certainly would look for an SUV BEV if they could.
That is what I am, probably futilely, arguing against, with small and light, and maybe even low range and low speed, being preferable in my view, with the best option for most being the electric bikes and scooters now so prevalent in Bristol, UK, where I live.
If I could I would do without a car, as I did for many years when living in the city, but unfortunately now age and health mean that I need a car to get about at all.
The electric 2008 is probably £10k more than I can easily afford, so since my car is in better condition than I am, I will probably stick with that 'til death us do part!' ;-)
Posted by: Davemart | 14 September 2022 at 09:17 AM
"But so many folk seem to want SUVs,....." I'd venture to say, that is a false conclusion on your part. I am driving a SUV-like contraption myself which I really dislike. The only reason I decided on this purchase was the technical reality and the best price / functionality relation. I really don't know why MFRCs are so keen to produce these cheese- box silhouettes; they certainly do not meet my taste. In my early twenties, I drove a Triumph-Spitfire followed by a Porsche; those were good looking reliable cars. BTW my next and last car will very likely be a Hyundai Ioniq 6.
Posted by: yoatmon | 15 September 2022 at 03:31 AM
Unfortunately, I am going by what the sales figures tell us. SUVs are an ever increasing share of the market, even on narrow UK roads, which is ridiculous.
Posted by: Davemart | 15 September 2022 at 04:51 AM
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